New PS4 controller photo leaked: breakdown

February 15, 2013

New PS4 controller photo leaked: breakdownConsidering that with 99 percent certainty, Sony will be announcing the PlayStation 4 on February 20, many rumors have been flying around as to what the new controller will look like. It appears that a dev has leaked an image of an early prototype of the PS4 controller.

The leaked image looks legit and has been confirmed by multiple development sources to be the genuine thing. It is important to note that the prototype has been confirmed to be a very early version.

The PS4 controller design does seem to support many of the rumors about the console regarding Move support for all SKUs along with a touch pad built right into the controller.

 

PS4_Controller_Prototype

 

Analog Sticks

Other notable changes are the analog sticks which seem to be a cross between Xbox 360 and Dualshock controller. While Xbox’s controller is completely concaved, the PS4 controller looks to have a ridge/ring around the nub with the center bumped out a bit.

Touch Pad

The touch pad built into the controller is in the center where the select/start buttons used to be. The purpose of this touchpad is unclear, if its for gaming or for applications. There is a strong rumor doing the rounds indicating that Sony may adopt or integrate the Android platform into the PS4 based on Japanese newspaper report Nikkei. Sony has integrated Android into its mobile devices and looking at cross implantation with other products.

The touchpad would make sense if the PS4 were to support Android marketplace apps.

 

Move Motion-tracking LED

The controller sports an LED light that is very much reminiscent of the glowing ball on the Move controller. There have been reports of Sony integrating Move with every PS4 like Microsoft is bundling the Kinect with every Xbox 720.

However, its difficult to imagine anyone waving around the controller like gamers did with the Move stick. Its just ergonomically unfit for motion gaming, unless it will be used for fine tuning aiming in FPS games. However, it seems silly for Sony to integrate a new feature that the Sixaxis sensors can already do.

Speaker/Mic

The controller visibly has a speaker/mic built into it, reminiscent of the Wii controller.  Nintendo used this to integrate various gameplay mechanics such as blowing into the controller, or make swooshing sounds in tennis games when swinging it.

Mini port

The Dualshock controller had a mini usb port at the top for charging the unit. The PS4 controller seems to have a port at the bottom with a switch. It could possibly for charging, but consider its relocation it could also be used for hard-wired headsets. The switch may possibly be for turning on/off Move and touch pad support.

Miscellaneous

There are other redesigns, such as the grip looks ‘fatter’ and using some sort of rubber material, possibly with biometric sensors built in as rumored. The controller has a few mysterious buttons which could be for the rumored ‘share’ feature, where the PS4 is always recording 15 minutes of gameplay at all times. The share button is supposed to automatically dump the video to YouTube or to your PSN account for editing.

Keep in mind that this is an early prototype of the controller and sources have reported that Sony has been changing the controller design every month. It could very well be dramatically different when Sony goes to unveil the controller on February 20th next week.

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139 Responses to “New PS4 controller photo leaked: breakdown”

  1. Zoar:

    nice breakdown, Mike Ferro. :)

  2. oldschool1987:

    I like it. Glad it’s not a radical departure from the extremely comfy DS3.

  3. Roca.:

    Is this a prototype?

  4. oldschool1987:

    Aye Roca. Doesn’t have the finish. It looks thrown together, I like what it has though. Can’t wait to see the finished product.

  5. CaptBirdman:

    Looks like a Gamestop knockoff.

    Not impressed with this prototype.

    Just make the Dualshock 4. I don’t have a single problem with the current stick….

  6. CaptBirdman:

    Cue Godless talking about how the DS3 is “small”.

    I’m willing to bet I have the biggest hands on Blorge (being a basketball player and all)

  7. oldschool1987:

    I’ve boxed all my life, I have a a knuckle that’s the size of a walnut from being broke and constantly aches. I’ve been referred to as spade hands before (by a dickhead mate of mine) and my hands constantly ache in the cold weather and yet I play on the Ps3 for hours and have never experienced discomfort from using the DS3. It’s just a 360 fanboys argument, people never complained about the controller until the Xbox came out then all of a sudden the c

  8. oldschool1987:

    I’ve boxed all my life, I have a a knuckle that’s the size of a walnut from being broke and constantly aches. I’ve been referred to as spade hands before (by a dickhead mate of mine) and my hands constantly ache in the cold weather and yet I play on the Ps3 for hours and have never experienced discomfort from using the DS3. It’s just a 360 fanboys argument, people never complained about the controller until the Xbox came out then all of a sudden the controller Sony has used for 3 generations causes cramps. Ridiculous.

    Bird it’s the prototype, its safe to say this won’t be the final shape and designs. It’s just to show all of its features and looks like it was thrown together. I’m happy with the DS3 shape as well, I hope they keep that shape with all these features added.

  9. oldschool1987:

    Posted before I was finished. Why do iPhones do this?

  10. ncaissie:

    “However, its difficult to imagine anyone waving around the controller like gamers did with the Move stick. Its just ergonomically unfit for motion gaming, unless it will be used for fine tuning aiming in FPS games. However, it seems silly for Sony to integrate a new feature that the Sixaxis sensors can already do.”
    Fuckin brilliant! I love this, they, FINALY found a way to bring the precision of the mouse to to console without all the Nintendo BS.

  11. MAK:

    That prototype makes me gag.
    If its genuine, then its probably the very first prototype.
    It probably leaked because the latest prototype is very different and these old photos dont matter.
    Sony is great when it comes to designing/engineering. The PS Vita is very sleek. This prototype doesnt match Sony’s standards.

    @Bird

    I agree with all you said, basically.

    @Oldschool

    That was a good comment defending the DS3.
    My hands are rather huge, too. And I never had a problem with the DS.

    And, both my iPhone and my iPad never do that.
    I might accidentally press the “Send” button when reaching for the backspace button while texting. But i dont see how you can post something on here accidentally.

  12. Roca.:

    Hmmm interesting

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/2/15/3993970/playstation-4-will-stream-ps3-games-reports-wsj

  13. Roca.:

    There’s only one of us who have issues with the DS3… and that’s Godless.

    The Duashock has remain the same since the original DS1, Sony nailed it and their better stick with it next gen.

    Look at Nintendo, they’re still trying to come up with a great gamepad design; NES, SNES N64, GC, Wii and Wii U all have different designs that only works great for a handful of games (like the N64 controller and Mario 64). The 360 controller is only good for FPS but it sucks for fighting, driving and arcade games

  14. CaptBirdman:

    DO THE HARLEM SHAKE

  15. oldschool1987:

    “That was a good comment defending the DS3″

    Thanks MAK!

    *Blows kisses*

    “And, both my iPhone and my iPad never do that”

    Sometimes I type too fast for my own good and tap the return button instead of space and I go to carry on typing even though the keyboard has disappeared and I tap Submit Comment. Stupid mistake but that’s what us stupid people do lol.

    “DO THE HARLEM SHAKE”

    Lol! My mrs was on about it yesterday, first I’ve heard of it. It’s funny how these Internet crazes come out of nowhere.

  16. dans:

    “DO THE HARLEM SHAKE”

    My favourites so far:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hGgr8ZbeNgQ

    h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNrSpqUr-E

    h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hpEnLtqUDg&feature=share

    Guy falling out the window in the 3rd one is brilliant!

  17. greenLanternfan:

    Can’t wait for Feb.20!!!

    Sony always done a good job with their controllers. It’s good that they won’t completely change its controller design.

  18. ncaissie:

    I’m excited.

  19. CarlB:

    @roca,

    It is interesting, thanks for sharing. At this point, as we’ve discussed in the past, it seems like a given considering their investment so far:

    “There is absolutely no doubt that, with an investment that significant at such a difficult time for Sony, Gaikai’s technology will be poised to play an important role in Sony’s future.”

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/16/report-playstation-4-will-stream-games

  20. CarlB:

    “Citing ‘people familiar with the company’s plans,’ the WSJ elaborates:

    ‘The new technology, to be unveiled Wednesday along with the new console, will allow users to play games delivered over the Internet, these people said. The streaming service, they added, is designed to use current PlayStation 3 titles on the new console; the new device is also expected to play new games stored on optical discs.’”
    http://kotaku.com/5984710/report-the-next-playstation-will-stream-ps3-games?tag=orbis

  21. Roca.:

    BREAKING NEWS: Baby found in the middle of the Meteorite crash site, he is miraculously unharmed. Wrapped in what seems to be a red cape.

  22. dans:

    “BREAKING NEWS: Baby found in the middle of the Meteorite crash site, he is miraculously unharmed. Wrapped in what seems to be a red cape.”

    The new Pope? ;)

  23. CON:

    Glad sony have finally accepted the controller needs to be changed and are going to make a man sized controller. Need to also copy the triggers on the xbox controller.

  24. oldschool1987:

    Kal-El?

  25. Roca.:

    “Need to also copy the triggers on the xbox controller”

    I hope not…

  26. oldschool1987:

    Agreed Roca, PS3 triggers are better.

  27. greenLanternfan:

    @Kal-El?

    It’s possible lol

  28. greenLanternfan:

    I’m interested in seeing how the touchpad works.

  29. CON:

    “I hope not…”

    I’m pretty sure you will buy the ps4 regardless. It’s more important for sony to bow down to xbots demands in order to win them back.

  30. greenLanternfan:

    “I’m pretty sure you will buy the ps4 regardless. It’s more important for sony to bow down to xbots demands in order to win them back.”

    I’m a bit confused in what you’re talking about.

  31. Roca.:

    That trigger is horrible. I’m sure Sony won’t make the same mistake as Microsoft. Who needs trigger on a gamepad when you buttons, such as the R1/L2, that work much better.

  32. CaptBirdman:

    @Con and Roca

    The Xbox 360 trigger is good for one thing only: shooters.

    The PS3 trigger is better for most everything else. I do like the concaveness of the 360 trigger better than convex, but the 360 trigger is WAY TOO THIN. If they harmonized between the two, say slightly concave, but about as thick as the PS3 trigger with non-slip polyurethane coating… BAM.

  33. CaptBirdman:

    “Glad sony have finally accepted the controller needs to be changed and are going to make a man sized controller.”

    Uh…that was done way back in 1998 (read: Dualshock).

    Unless you’re talking about this monstrosity

    http://benheck.com/Games/Xbox360/duke/duke360_1.jpg

  34. Roca.:

    ^ LMAO @ Birdman

  35. CON:

    Xbox controller triggers are perfect for driving games as they are actual triggers. DS3 triggers are more of a bending motion so breaking acceleration etc isn’t quite as responsive.

    Shooting and driving games are pretty popular so this defect shouldn’t be overlooked.

  36. Roca.:

    You’re wrong and any driving fan can tell you the DS3′s L2/R2 buttons are shaped like pedals and they are better for driving games (as Bird just said)….unless your car has “triggers” for gas/brake, Idk why you would think otherwise.

  37. oldschool1987:

    Was gonna say what Roca said but he beat me too it. 360 controller is better for shooters… That’s it.

  38. CaptBirdman:

    “Xbox controller triggers are perfect for driving games as they are actual triggers. DS3 triggers are more of a bending motion so breaking acceleration etc isn’t quite as responsive.”

    Wait… your car has a trigger for the accelerator??

    Or is it a pad?

    Anyway, racing games are better with a wheel, and if not, I always use the face buttons (i.e. X for go, Square for break, etc.).

    And while we’re breaking down the Xbox 360 controller, let’s talk about that asymmetric thing they have going. As an only-360 user for about three years, I feel like my opinion has some weight, and I think the asymmetrical analog fad is beyond stupid. Here are some general arguments for the analog sticks:

    1. The asymmetrical 360 analog pattern is better because it’s where your thumbs “naturally” rest.

    2. The 360 analog sticks are better because they are concave.

    3. The 360′s analog are asymmetrical because we don’t want our thumbs hitting each other.

    Here is my response.

    1. Firstly, there is nothing natural about asymmetry with regards to hands. Next, make the palms of your hands face each other, and then ball your hands up and make a fist. Relax that fist to the point where your hands are open (akin to holding an imaginary can of soda). Notice the ‘natural’ position your thumbs are in? Exactly the same place they would fall on the Dualshock.

    2. Concave analog sticks are NOT better than convex for a couple reasons. Whenever you need to make a movement that requires you to react fast, a concave stick forces your thumb to move slightly slower because it’s somewhat ‘locked into place’. The convex stick is much easier to react with because it’s always a smooth transition. Another thing is pushing “up” (or forward) is actually slightly painful, due to having much less surface area and the ridge that naturally comes with being concave.

    3. If your thumbs are hitting each other when manipulating a Dualshock YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG, or in this case holding it wrong. To be effective in any game where both sticks are needed (i.e. FPS), the tips of your thumbs should be what is touching the sticks. You people have to be holding the damned thing in some sort of death grip for the thumbs to be touching at all. They are palming it, and not holding it like it should be, and that’s their problem.

    People whose thumbs touch were not gamers prior to the advent of the 360… I mean, how the hell did you hold the SNES controller???

  39. phranctoast:

    Some food for thought.

    I still do think Sony should provide both, so people (360) owners don’t have THAT as a reason for not picking up a PS4. Out the box, keep the original, but provide an additional option.

    I agree with Roca about using the R1 and L1 for “down the scope” and “fire” rather than the 360 solution of having a “trigger” for one reason. I feel the amount you need to press the trigger (on both the PS3, and 360 controller) is too far in comparison, potentially screwing up aim. Although, if I had no choice but to use the 360 triggers or the PS3 triggers (R2, L2) I’d go with the 360 for shooters.

  40. dans:

    Destiny trailer/inside look

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EwOUi4JDC4o

  41. dans:

    Lots of info here too:

    http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/17/destiny-in-the-stars-exploring-bungies-10-year-plan/

  42. oldschool1987:

    Who here has seen the original Die Hard? Someone on this site, I won’t say any names because it isn’t fair reckons it is a cheesy 90′s movie (even though its 80′s). Can everyone state their opinion of Die Hard. I ask because I know the majority of normal humans consider it one of if not THEE greatest action movies of all time.

  43. phranctoast:

    Die Hard rocks. I love all the Die Hard movies including Live Free or Die Hard. Haven’t seen the one in the theaters now though.

    Yippie Kai-A mother fucker!

    Now I have a Machine Gun. HO HO HO ;)

  44. Roca.:

    Nintendo Wii U sold 55K in January

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-15-wii-u-sold-around-55k-during-january-in-the-us

  45. oldschool1987:

    I think Live Free is the best sequel of all the Die Hards. Better than 2 and 3, from the sounds of it 5 as well. It’s NEARLY as great as the original. I love the whole new age bag guys with their free running abilities and technical no-how against Johns old school ways. It’s brilliant and the action is amazing. I watched the fourth about 4 hours ago with the mrs again.

  46. oldschool1987:

    Roca is that good or bad? I’m not sure lol.

    Destiny sounds brilliant Dan. Definitely get it on the Ps4. Surprised Activision said no subscription, they must be high.

  47. CaptBirdman:

    I consider myself normal and I believe The Raid is a far greater action film than Die Hard.

    Far greater.

    The new Die Hard was pretty bad. Sad to see one of my favourite actors of all time so…old. Still love him to bits though.

  48. oldschool1987:

    Haven’t seen The Raid yet, I heard it has the most well choreographed fights on screen. Everytime I download it I get English dubs, I want subs and original audio.

    I meant Die Hard is the best not just for its action scenes because many, many movies have outdone Die Hards action but everything about Die Hard was amazing. It’s villian, the plot, setting, Bruce! It was the first time in a action film the hero was more human and took a fucking beating. At the end he was a mangled mess, it was amazing.

    You mean A Good Day to Die Hard, Bird? Not seen yet but when I heard they got the Mad Payne director and XMen Origin Wolverine script writer i lost hope. They should have brought back Live Frees director.

  49. CaptBirdman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct2iEvE6GFQ

    Nuff Said.

  50. dans:

    @OS

    I’ve seen the first and the fourth Die Hards . . . meh.

  51. CaptBirdman:

    If you loved that link, you’ll love this one too

    http://youtu.be/_dsby7mrLD4

  52. dans:

    @phranc

    I watched the first four episodes of White Collar, didn’t do much for me tbh. There were some funny moments, but apart from that it became more of a chore than an enjoyment to watch it.

    On the other hand, House of Cards is amazing! Kevin Spacey is cut-throat!

  53. dans:

    @bird

    Both links are blocked in the UK.

  54. Roca.:

    @oldschool

    That’s really really bad. Nintendo better start working a a next gen system. I think the Wii U is dead as soon as the PS4/SteamBox/720 hit the shelves.

  55. CaptBirdman:

    @Dans

    That’s too bad. Try searching for The Raid Final fight (first link) and The Raid Hallway Fight (second link). Perhaps you can find Britain-friendly links that way.

  56. dans:

    @bird

    I’ll take your word for it and just watch the entire film when I get a chance. ;)

  57. oldschool1987:

    Did you read my comment Bird? I said Raid I supposed to have superior action but that’s it.

  58. CaptBirdman:

    “I said Raid I supposed to have superior action…”

    Well…wouldn’t that make it a superior action film? Just asking…

  59. oldschool1987:

    It would yes for it’s action but an action movie can’t just rely on its action to become timeless. It needs memorable villians, quotable, likeable hero and relatable. Die Hard has more going for it but The Raid has better action.

  60. CaptBirdman:

    How would you know and you haven’t seen it??

  61. oldschool1987:

    Fair point but I’ve looked a lot into it. So be honest, you’re saying its villian is more memorable than Hans Gruber, its hero is more likeable, its story is better, better characters and better acted than Die Hard? Or does it just have better action?

  62. oldschool1987:

    @ Bird:

    The timing of this list is perfect. Posted about an hour ago lmao.

    http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/01/10/the-top-25-action-movies?page=5

  63. Godless:

    LMAO at the Sony fanboy defence of the dualshock.

    You know it’s shit compared to the 360 controller! .

    It’s Pathetic that you continue to defend the dualshock controller when it’s beyond obvious that it’s: -
    Not an ergonomic layout
    Hand grips are too small
    Triggers are wrong shape (WHY TINY CONVEX PROFILE?)
    Triggers are spongy and lack any kind of clarity
    Analogue sticks are in the wrong place (EXCEPT FOR SONY FANBOYS. Who appear to have very short thumbs)
    Analogue sticks are the wrong shape (WHY CONVEX?)

    Just because Sony has been using this same shape since the PS1 does not make it right, Iconic? YES!. .comfortable? NO. (designed for Japanese kids not western adults)

    The ONLY thing the dualshock has over the 360 controller is a better, more responsive D pad, Though I gather the revised 360 controller has addressed that issue (can’t corroborate this as I don’t own one).

    I really hope Sony move on from the dual shock. I’ll be disappointed and surprised if they don’t.
    It will be a strike against the new console for me if they keep the old design.

  64. twilight:

    Godless,
    Controllers are all about personal preferences but I will agree with you that a large majority of gamers tend to prefer the Xbox360 controller over the Ps3 controller. This is why the market is flooded with third party controllers for the Ps3 that look like the Xbox360 controller because there are many gamers including Ps3 gamers that prefer the Xbox360 style of controller. I am pretty comfortable with both the Xbox360 and Ps3 controllers. I can play with both controllers. However, as someone who never really uses the d pad, I must admit that I prefer the layout of the analog sticks on the Xbox360 controller. I think that the Xbox360 controller is better for shooting and driving games. Sports titles both controllers tie. All other types of games the Ps3 controller is better for.

  65. CON:

    Think there’s a little confusion between the xbox trigger and ps3 pad. I’m not referring to the shape, I’m referring to the actual motion of the ps3 controller. It bends rather than slide in and out like xbox triggers and has twice as much distance between initial pressure and full lock which also increases accuracy considerably for acceleration or breaking.

    The argument about foot pedals is irrelevant as you are using your hands lol

  66. phranctoast:

    “The timing of this list is perfect. Posted about an hour ago lmao.”

    Lists piss me off but that one wasn’t too bad. I would have put the Rock higher. Removed Robocop, the Avengers, Crouching Tiger, Speed, and Bourne.

    There should probably also be one category of movies called “Arnold movies” that takes a spot as Total Recall was strangely missing.

    Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and everyone else’s stink.

  67. Godless:

    Twilight
    “This is why the market is flooded with third party controllers for the Ps3 that look like the Xbox360 controller”

    I own 2 such controllers myself. My ps3 controllers sit almost unused. only the kids ever use them when playing more that 2 player on Little big planet, and even then, there is normally a fight over who is to be lumbered with the dualshock. This despite the poorer responses from the third party controllers.

    I wish someone would just make an interface that allowed direct use of a 360 controller on a PS3.

    CON
    I 100% agree with you on the throttle thing, that’s why GT5 default is button X to accelerate, because the trigger is almost bloody useless as a throttle.

    Birdy
    Birdy, you criticise the layout of the early NES controller (rightly so, because it was awfull)

    Then try to defend dualshock design, like somehow Sony don’t make bad designs.

    It’s bad. .and its symmetry far from being an advantage “IS A PROBLEM”

    the xbox allows for a more natural & relaxed wrist posture with thumbs relaxed and sitting on the sticks with almost no effort, as the thumbs stay pretty much in line with your wrists.
    The PS3 has your thumbs to close to your body relative to your grip on the tiny undersized handles forcing you to move your thumbs back creating an unnatural angle from your wrist to your thumbs.

    Everyone I know, bar none, agrees the PS3 controller is pretty shit to hold, and that the 360 is way more comfortable. Even kids, for whom the 360 controller is pretty heavy.

    Only PS3 fanboys would try to defend a 25 year old design that is patently non ergonomic.

    Why do you think the military uses the xbox controller and not PS3? Probably to avoid repetitive strain compensation that would follow if they used the dualshock :D

  68. dans:

    @godless

    I don’t understand how an asymmetrical design can be more comfortable than a symmetrical one . . . are the natural resting postions of your wrists different from one another?

  69. twilight:

    Anything that is ergonomical in design is always better in the long run.
    Godless, my sister is like your kids. She absolutetely refuses to play with the Ps3 controller. She hates the Ps3 controller.

  70. Roca.:

    Godless’ opinion is subjective and biased, driven by his inner xbot

    Here’s is something i found on the web along the line of what Birdman has been saying:

    There are arguments that are subjective, and arguments that are objective, based on facts.

    The only arguments I ever hear concerning the supposed advantages of the 360 controller are subjective, take for example the notion that the controller is more comfortable than the DualShock 3. That’s in the eye of the beholder, no facts to back it up.

    Take me for example, I think the DualShock 3 controller is more comfortable to hold than the 360 controller. There’s a common misconception that the DualShock 3 is designed for small hands. I have larger than average hands. I can grip an NBA sized basketball without issue using one hand, and the average male can’t do that based on what I’ve seen at the gym. Despite having larger than average hands, I find the DualShock 3 to be the more comfortable controller to hold, but I realize that is a subjective argument, and it holds absolutely no weight. It’s merely an opinion takingplace within the mind which is modified by individual bias.

    Now that we have that factual part of the argument out of the way, lets focus on the objective differences between the controller, taking every component into consideration. These are the real differences that matter, the differences based on actual facts, undistorted by emotion or personal bias.

    Battery:
    The DualShock 3 comes standard with a Lithium Ion battery, which provides up to 30 hours of continuous gaming on a full charge. The charging cable is a standard universal USB cable, not proprietary.
    The 360 controller does not come standard with a rechargable battery. You can purchase a nickel metal hydride Rechargable Battery Pack, which provides up to 25 hours of continuous gaming for the wireless controller. The charging cable is proprietary.

    Sixaxis:
    A major feature of the Sixaxis controller, and from where its name is derived, is the ability to sense both rotational orientation and translational acceleration along all three dimensional axes, providing six degrees of freedom.

    This feature is absent in the 360 controller, and it doesn’t offer any alternative.

    Face Buttons:
    There are 8 pressure sensitive buttons on the DualShock 3. Triangle, Circle, X, Square, L1, R1, Select and Start. The D-pad is also pressure sensitive.

    The Xbox 360 controller does not have pressure sensitive buttons.

    Analog Sticks:
    The DualShock 3 features finer analog sensitivity than the DualShock 2, increased to 10-bit precision from the 8-bit precision of the DualShock 2. The controller also uses both analog and digital signals simultaneously at all times during gameplay.

    The Xbox 360 controller uses 8-bit precision, the same used in last generation controllers, such as the DualShock 2, Gamecube and original Xbox controllers.

    Wireless Connectivity:
    DualShock 3 uses Bluetooth connectivity.

    The 360 controller uses a proprietary wireless 2.4GHz protocol for connectivity, which is of less quality than Bluetooth. The differences are minor, but I have about a 10 to 1 ratio in use of my PS3 over my 360, and I have experienced many more controller syncing problems on the 360 in a fraction of the time.

    D-Pad:
    I don’t think this one really needs an explanation. The DualShock 3 has a fully functional D-Pad while the 360 controller doesn’t.

    When it comes down to facts and funtionality, the PS3 DualShock 3 wipes the floor with the 360 controller in every department. How could a controller be considered so great when it lacks something as significant as a D-Pad? All things considered, the 360 controller is basically a last generation controller. Last generation analog stick precision, last generation digital face buttons that lack analog pressure sensitivity, disfunctional D-Pad which is the same design from last generation, old wireless technology, no Sixaxis support or anything even similar, AA batteries as the standard which is what the Wavebird used last generation….
    You can argue comfort and go around in circles all day about it. It’s an argument you can’t win, because it’s purely subjective. These things I just listed however, aren’t subjective, they’re objective, they’re facts.”

    ***best comment*** “Hmm, the left stick is in the wrong place on the DS3? So is the right stick in the wrong place on the XBox controller? If so, then your point may hold water. If not, then either you’re a hypocrite or your hands are staggered, deformed, and asymetrical.

    Anyone who uses that argument is just setting a double-standard.”

  71. oldschool1987:

    LMAO at the Xbot trying to bash the Dualshock.

    Also my defense of the DS is better than your ranting and raving argument. DS isn’t too small and doesn’t cause cramps and I’d be more likely to recieve cramps than you with the state and size of my hands. Stop being a cry baby Xbot.

    In fact why am I even arguing with you; you’re obviously trolling.

  72. Godless:

    Roca

    All opinions are subjective.

    Just letting you know, that if Sony don’t change the design, It will be something that I don’t like before I’ve even seen the dammed console in action.

  73. Roca.:

    Godless

    are you ooSQUIShIEoo?

  74. oldschool1987:

    “All opinions are subjective.”

    Then why say it like this:

    “LMAO at the Sony fanboy defence of the dualshock.

    You know it’s shit compared to the 360 controller!”

    “are you ooSQUIShIEoo?”

    No it’s some random old women on Godless friend list that decided to add his other friends using the Vita. I interrogated her and she told me her and Godless have an Internet fling but because he’s married they’ve never done the deed but they’ve met up.

    #IKnowAllYourDirtySecrets

  75. CON:

    Roca

    If sony change dualshock design, will you refuse to buy the ps4?

  76. oldschool1987:

    ^ I won’t. I don’t think a controller design should dictate if you buy the console or not. I bought the original Xbox even though the controller is a blocky joke. The games were still good.

  77. Roca.:

    I’ll still buy it. Its all about the games. I’ll buy it even if it doesn’t play used games (I don’t buy use games)

    The only reason that I will not buy the PS4 is if PSN charges a fee to play online or access paid & free apps.

  78. Roca.:

    @CON
    “If sony change dualshock design, will you refuse to buy the ps4?”

    I’m guessing this is the stupid xbot mentality since you originally stated “It’s more important for sony to bow down to xbots demands in order to win them back”

  79. CaptBirdman:

    I don’t see how a controller could be make or break when it comes to purchasing a console. Games are make or break for me, which is why I’ll probably buy a Nextbox based on the games. Playstation has never let me down, so it’s obviously day 1 for me.

    @Gods

    “Then try to defend dualshock design, like somehow Sony don’t make bad designs”

    The Dualshock has an Emmy. I’m sorry, but ‘bad design’ doesn’t work here. It’s like calling Denzel a bad actor because you didn’t like Training Day.

    “the xbox allows for a more natural & relaxed wrist posture with thumbs relaxed and sitting on the sticks with almost no effort, as the thumbs stay pretty much in line with your wrists.”

    There is just so much disinformation here, that it’s hard to know where to start.

    Do you play (or know someone who plays) piano? Do you type on a keyboard (of course you do)? Tell me, Godless, where do your thumbs rest ‘naturally’?

    It is more NATURAL for something your hands are both holding to be SYMMETRICAL. Dude, do you realize you might as well be saying to wear glasses with one of the lenses further up? The human body is symmetrical in healthy humans. Get over it.

    “The PS3 has your thumbs to close to your body relative to your grip on the tiny undersized handles forcing you to move your thumbs back creating an unnatural angle from your wrist to your thumbs.”

    Lmao… do you realize that the two controllers are actually the exact same size? Only difference is the shape. If you need to ‘move your thumbs back’ YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG.

    I’ve posted pictures here from my facebook before showing correct posture. Just look around the web. Only people that don’t know how to hold a PS3 controller are Xbots.

    “Everyone I know, bar none, agrees the PS3 controller is pretty shit to hold, and that the 360 is way more comfortable”

    Opinions… but I’d argue that they are holding it wrong as well. If your thumbs hurt, I’d have to question your integrity as a gamer because if you’ve gamed for however many years you say you have, then your thumbs should be pretty tough.

    “Why do you think the military uses the xbox controller and not PS3? Probably to avoid repetitive strain compensation that would follow if they used the dualshock”

    Beyond silly statement. Why do you think the Dualshock has a legitimate award and the 360 controller doesn’t?

  80. oldschool1987:

    Bird just owned the fuck out of godless.

  81. CON:

    If you’re still going to buy it regardless then shut the fuck up and stop bitching. Sony are far more concerned about what xbots think rather than sony fanboys anyway.

    I have no doubt they will bow down and ditch dualshock to appease xbots.

  82. phranctoast:

    “I have no doubt they will bow down and ditch dualshock to appease xbots.”

    I have high doubts of that. The overall layout will stay the same, and it should, but I could see another option being available to appease the silly xbots.

  83. ncaissie:

    “The ONLY thing the dualshock has over the 360 controller is a better, more responsive D pad, Though I gather the revised 360 controller has addressed that issue (can’t corroborate this as I don’t own one).”
    BS, the 360 controller is like holding a rock. It is fat ugly and awkward. The DS3 blows it away. I admit the triggers are wrong but everything else is just right. The improvements above would be sweet!

  84. ncaissie:

    “This is why the market is flooded with third party controllers for the Ps3 that look like the Xbox360 controller because there are many gamers including Ps3 gamers that prefer the Xbox360 style of controller.”
    Bull Shit! Care to share the link to that lie or is it one you made yourself? I have done shopping in the US and Canada and haven’t seen many 360 style controllers for the PS3.

  85. ncaissie:

    “CON
    I 100% agree with you on the throttle thing, that’s why GT5 default is button X to accelerate, because the trigger is almost bloody useless as a throttle.”
    You are both wrong. They use the x because you push a button not pull. You don’t pull your gas peddle do you? It’s natural to want to push to make the cars go forward. Just like what kids lean left and right to turn even thought it does nothing in the game.
    Triggers are good for shooting games.
    If they invent a controller with a thumb peddle type button that would be sweet. I’ll try to do a mockup when I can.

    I think if the put a slot car type trigger on the front that you can access just under the thumbsticks that would be frigin awesome.
    Get what I mean?

    Maybe a brake one on the left?

  86. CaptBirdman:

    While I don’t have such an extreme opinion against the 360 controller (I actually quite like it, and its weight is very nice), I definitely prefer the DS to it.

    It’s just more responsive. The general opinion is that the 360 controller is better for shooters but I’d argue that the DS is better. You have to pull down the trigger extremely far for it to register a shot, whereas tapping R1 is way faster. In games such as call of duty THIS IS CRUCIAL.

    The face buttons on the DS are flat. This means it’s easier to play games like Street Fighter because you can smoothly transition between buttons for combos, unlike the bulbous buttons of the 360.

    D-Pad, let’s not even go there.

    So functionality wise, objectively, the DS outperforms the 360 (or should I say Dreamcast ;) ) controller.

  87. CON:

    I’m sorry that pulling a trigger for a racing game is beyond your comprehension norman lol

    It’s a case of preference. Sony will chose xbots over this…it’s business.

  88. phranctoast:

    Agree with Capt.

    I’ve used the 360 controller for the PC and Gears and other games. It’s a good controller but not the best for shooters for the exact reason of the R1 button as explained.

    Think about sniping. You have more of a chance of screwing up a shot the further the button requires to be pushed.

  89. oldschool1987:

    “Sony are far more concerned about what xbots think rather than sony fanboys anyway”

    Link?

    “It’s a case of preference. Sony will chose xbots over this…it’s business”

    Link?

  90. ncaissie:

    “I’m sorry that pulling a trigger for a racing game is beyond your comprehension norman lol”
    LOL if you say so. I have been a developer for 15+ years now.

  91. ncaissie:

    Not to mention it’s common sense, which you have proven time and time again that you are sorely lacking.

  92. CON:

    Link? 50 million users lost to xbox – Fact. You would like to think sony will learn from their mistakes.

    “I have been a developer for 15+ years now”

    That statement insults you more than it insults me hahaha!

  93. Roca.:

    Microsoft must be scared of Sony’s PS4 announcement…it shows Sony has confidence in their product and that it will not waste time during E3 to reveal boring hardware features and specs, Sony will spend its time revealing awesome next games and exclusives.

  94. oldschool1987:

    “Link? 50 million users lost to xbox – Fact. You would like to think sony will learn from their mistakes”

    PS3 has more users and more consoles sold than 360 so it has a larger user base. Fact. Sony doesn’t need to cater to the smaller community.

  95. CON:

    “Think about sniping. You have more of a chance of screwing up a shot the further the button requires to be pushed.”

    Yeah phranc they should start putting buttons on real snipper rifles also. That’s such an amazing insight.

  96. CON:

    If they cave in and change their controller there’s going to be a lot of people proved wrong here

  97. Roca.:

    In gaming: buttons > triggers

  98. CON:

    Except for shooters and racers :)

  99. Roca.:

    Including shooters…(see Phranc and Bird’s comments about it)… For racers the PS3 pedals are better (or the pressure sensitive face buttons)

  100. Roca.:

    Are you getting a PS4 CON?

  101. CON:

    With respect roca millions obviously disagree. If you want to argue that a trigger isn’t pressure sensitive, fine.

    I’ll wait until I see what both consoles have to offer before I make my decision. Controller will def be a selling point for sony if they bow down to xbot demands

  102. CON:

    Just like bluray on xbot of course.

  103. CaptBirdman:

    Con I think it’s silly to think Sony is going to fundamentally change their controller.

    Look at the XMB under ‘game’.

    What shape is it?

  104. oldschool1987:

    ^ Good fucking point.

  105. Roca.:

    The controller will be a major selling point point for you…seriously?

    “the xbot demands” lmao so intimidating. I fear of Sony if they don’t bow down to such demand.

    360 must have a huge lead in sales/s

  106. Godless:

    Oldie
    ““Link? 50 million users lost to xbox – Fact. You would like to think sony will learn from their mistakes”
    PS3 has more users and more consoles sold than 360 so it has a larger user base. Fact. Sony doesn’t need to cater to the smaller community.”

    OK, this really doesn’t need a link.

    Last Gen
    xbox – 24 million (in 4 years or thereabouts)
    PS2 – 140 million (in 12 years or thereabouts)

    This Gen (ball park figures)
    360 – 75 million, which is 50 million gain from last gen so far (7 years) (may sell another 5 million or so)

    PS3 – 77 million, which is a 63 million loss from last gen. (6 years) they may sell another 10 million or so, but they have lost gamers from last gen.

    Oldie, what part of Sony losing gamers to MS are you not picking up on?
    Ok many gamers will have both machines, but it’s clear that Sony has sold less this gen, and will not make the deficit up in the remainder of this gen

  107. phranctoast:

    The Ps2 was at around 100M at this same time in it’s lifespan with poor competition. If you want to give the difference in sales to the 360, it’s at about 23M. That of course ignores the Wii entirely.

    Now is a very important time in the consoles lifetime. It’s time to get the casual gamers who hung back and never bought a console.

    MS is trying, at the expense of their core audience while Sony continues to outsell all the competition on an annual basis.

  108. twilight:

    ” I have done shopping in the Us and Canada and I haven’t seen many 360 sryle contollers for the Ps3.” Just because you happened to have gone shoppping and didn’t see any third party controllers with a similar layout as the Xbox30 doesn’t make it not true. All major retail stores sale Ps3 third party controllers with a similar layout as the Xbox360 controller. You are just fussin’ because of what I said about the controller. Besides, how contradictory can you get? Why would you even be shopping for a Ps3 controller that has the layout of the Xbox360 controller when it is so obvious that you clearly hate the Xbox360 controller anyways. Like it or not, there is a large market for this type of Ps3 controller because there are Ps3 gamers who want a Xbox360 type of controller for their Ps3. I personally don’t care about controllers. I don’t buy a gaming system based on the type of controller the system has. I buy a system based on the features it has. Controller preferences are all about personal opinion anyways.

  109. phranctoast:

    @twilight.
    Read your message a bit too late and missed the sale of Darksiders 2 (if they made more available).

    My back catalog just decreased by 2 this weekend with finishing MW3, and Blops2. Now I need to finish Darksiders 1 (at the end..ish) and really put in the time in Dead Space 3.

  110. oldschool1987:

    Godless, PS3 has outsold 360 and the gap is growing haha.

  111. twilight:

    Phranctoast,
    It was an unadvertised two to three day sale only. Unfortunetely, the game is off sale now but don’t worry I went ahead and picked up an extra copy of Darksiders 2 for you just in case you couldn’t get it at when I pre-ordered my copy of Metal Gear the other day when I was at the store. Just follow up with me on Psn so I can get to you. Don’t worry about reimbusement. I’m not concerned about it. The game wasn’t expensive at all.
    Anyways, it is cool that you got some games finished. I am playing Dead Space 3 as well. I just picked up the new Metal Gear game. I can’t wait to play this game. It is cool that the Ps3 version of this game has bonus missions. I also picked up Crysis 3 as well. Crysis 3 is an unknown purchase for me. All I know about ths game is that it is a fps game. I hope I like this game.

  112. Roca.:

    Godless,

    Are you ooSQUISHIEoo?

  113. oldschool1987:

    Roca I told you who squishie was. I wasnt joking pal.

  114. phranctoast:

    @twilight
    Awesome. Thank you very much. I’ll talk to you soon. :D

  115. Roca.:

    Late or early Christmas present for Phranc ;)

  116. phranctoast:

    @Roca
    Dead Space 3 DOTD at Amazon. $40

  117. Godless:

    “Godless,
    Are you ooSQUISHIEoo?”

    No, it’s a friend from the US.

  118. phranctoast:

    I only asked before as your names have a similar oo prefix and suffix.

  119. ncaissie:

    “Besides, how contradictory can you get? Why would you even be shopping for a Ps3 controller that has the layout of the Xbox360 controller when it is so obvious that you clearly hate the Xbox360 controller anyways. ”
    Why do I have to be shopping for a 360 type ps3 controller to notice there is none? I have many ps3s and 3 kids so I purchased a lot of the DS3 controllers with games.
    Every time I go shopping I always look to see what’s new in the gaming sections while my wife shops.
    Think about it before you respond. You still have no proof they sell any ps3 controllers that are shaped like the 360 controller.

    Please post a link or stop the BS!

  120. Roca.:

    how the hell she’s on my friend list?

    apparently Phranc and oldie have her as a friend as well… :|

  121. Roca.:

    Damn Phranc, I missed it.

  122. twilight:

    Ncaissie,
    Just because you never saw the controllers in the store doesn’t mean they don’t make these controllers. There are plenty of forums on the Internet with discussions about Ps3 gamers and the Ps3 controller issue. Just Google third party Ps3 controllers/top Ps3 third party controllers. The controllers are all over the Internet as an alternative to the Ps3 dual shock controller. “You still have no proof that they sell any Ps3 controllers that are shaped like a 360 controller. ” There’s my proof. I can’t believe that you are debating this. It’s quite obvious that you are the one who doesn’t know what what you are talking about.

  123. oldschool1987:

    Rica she added most people on his friend list. I asked her loads of questions because I thought it was Godless pretending to be someone else. It’s just another women from America that Godless has a thing for, they’ve met up but never done the deed even though they’ve spoke about it. She told me everything lmao.

  124. oldschool1987:

    Roca*

  125. phranctoast:

    Kinda far for a booty call ;)

  126. CON:

    “Godless, PS3 has outsold 360 and the gap is growing haha.”

    Really??

    By the end of 2012, 100.2 million Wiis had been sold compared to 79.2 million Xbox 360s and 75.2 million PlayStation 3s, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.

  127. oldschool1987:

    Lol! CON making up his own facts.

    PS3 has outsold 360 after a year head start.

  128. CON:

    I provided a source. How is that making up?

    Here is a link from your BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21479858

  129. CON:

    It’s 01.11am. I actually watched the majority of that launch show (had to switch feeds about 5 times due to dodgy streams) to see a glimpse of the new console and they didn’t even show it!

    Way to go Sony

  130. CON:

    2 hours of drivel and no fucking console………you got me good sony :)

  131. oldschool1987:

    Nope. Ps3 outsold 360 even with a year headstart. Fact.

    Butthurt over PS4 after having an amazing show.

  132. CON:

    Your BBC says otherwise. That article was dated 20/02/13

  133. oldschool1987:

    BBC versus official sales figures? Erm.

    My BBC? Lol grow up.

  134. CON:

    Continue this in the new blog if you’ve something to say I’m not trolling back. Provide me a link for both, from what you were saying I thought ps3 had a massive lead but it appears xbox is around 80m.

  135. Roca.:

    Come on CON, everyone knows the ps3 has already outsold the 360. Stop making up your own facts lol.

  136. CarlB:

    “By the end of 2012, 100.2 million Wiis had been sold compared to 79.2 million Xbox 360s and 75.2 million PlayStation 3s, according to research firm Strategy Analytics.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21479858

    “BBC versus official sales figures?”

    Not taking sides here, just curious… what are the “official sales figures” and the specific dates for them?

  137. CarlB:

    vgc still has Wii estimated at 99M, 360 at 74.3M, and PS3 at 72.8M…

  138. ncaissie:

    “Ncaissie,
    Just because you never saw the controllers in the store doesn’t mean they don’t make these controllers. There are plenty of forums on the Internet with discussions about Ps3 gamers and the Ps3 controller issue. ”

    I’ll say again please link to these controllers. And/or the sales #s.
    I called you on your lie and you can’t admit it.

  139. twilight:

    You are the one who got caught in lie and you want admit it Ncaissie. You are debating that they don’t make Ps3 controllers that are similar to Xbox360 controllers and this is simply not correct. Everyone on this site is aware of this. As you can see, you are the only one who is wasting time disputing this because number one I am correct and number two no one else really cares. You are the only one that is debating this issue. I don’t links. Like most people on this site, you are more then capable of using the Internet Ncaissie. I am not wasting my time debating a stupid issue regarding a controller with you. You are perfectly able to use the internet to find third party Ps3 controllers that are similar to Xbox360 controllers. The only time you seem to be incapable of doing this it seems is when it’s not advantageous to your point.

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