DF analysis: PS4 has “50% more raw power” than Xbox One, Microsoft not catering to “highest-end graphics”

May 24, 2013

DF analysis: PS4 has “50 more raw power” than Xbox One, Microsoft not catering to “highest-end graphicsEurogamer’s Digital Foundry has done a thorough analysis of the hardware specs for the Xbox One, leading the publication to reveal that the PS4 is roughly 50 percent more powerful. During Microsoft’s press conference this week, the console manufacturer coyly left out details of some of the specs revealed.

Microsoft typically beats its chest and likes to brag about minute details such as hardware specs. However, during its Xbox One press conference, the company glossed over the hardware specs without going into detail.

The company displayed some bullet points listing out that the console had an 8 core CPU and 8GB of RAM. Microsoft didn’t reveal what type of RAM, CPU and GPU would be in the Xbox One. As Digital Foundry pointed out, chances are that Microsoft probably felt no need to disclose this information as it would not be helpful against those that want to compare specs with the PS4.

However, various media outlets were able to pick up on the details from a Q&A panel with some of Microsoft’s architects and photos taken of the innards of the console revealing chip details.

As rumored, the Xbox One will make use of DDR3 RAM, which is significantly slower than the GDDR5 RAM being used in the PS4. In addition, the GPU that will be used in the Xbox One is houses 12 compute units and is 50 percent less powerful than Sony’s 18 CU GPU.

According to Greg Williams, GM of silicon development at Microsoft, the company made a decision to target a broader entertainment market. Williams stated:

   We purposefully did not target the highest-end graphics. We targeted more as a broad entertainment play and did it in an intelligent way.

The Xbox One is also said to boast three operating systems, with two of them as VMs. One of the Operating System is running the Windows 8 kernel. The amount of overhead the operating systems will impose of the host remains yet to be seen.

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52 Responses to “DF analysis: PS4 has “50% more raw power” than Xbox One, Microsoft not catering to “highest-end graphics””

  1. greenLanternfan:

    “Eurogamer’s Digital Foundry has done a thorough analysis of the hardware specs for the Xbox One, leading the publication to reveal that the PS4 is roughly 50 percent more powerful.”

    This pretty much sums it up.

    I wonder what Godless will say about this. lmao!

  2. Godless:

    GLF

    If the analysis is accurate, then we should see PS4 get far better games in the first few months, and my choice will be made for me.

    Like I said before, I’m going to sit out the first few months to see what happens.

  3. Andrew_DS:

    This is like groundhog day. Wasn’t there unmeaningful comparisons like this when the ps3 was announced with its super computer cell processor?

    At the end of the day most developers will use the same resources for both the Xbox One and the ps4, and as both are going to use full 1080p from day one, there will be little to choose between them.

    There will be 3 versions of games in future. Low end ports for the Wii U (Ha ha, heres hopeing), middle tier versions for Xbox and ps4 and then the high end versions for PCs. Just like this generation. Fair enough it might mean that the ps4 under utilising some of its processing power but, again, like this generation.

    Personally, and I never thought I would ever EVER say this, but it looks like the sony box is the one last gaming platform to choose in the next gen.

    MS have really shot them selves in the foot regarding the whole used game situation. Shops will struggle to stay afloat as a lot of them rely on used games for their bread and butter. So when they close there will be less opportunity to buy games, resulting in less sales of new titles (maybe with the exception of some AAA games).

    I am totally against piracy of any format. I don’t have any pirated games (CDs or DVDs either for that matter) as I do believe that the people doing the work deserve to get paid. But I sure as hell aint paying for a game twice just so I can go to my friends house for a beer and FIFA night. How would the car industry do if every time a used car was sold you had to pay the manufacturer again!

    Sorry for the long post. Rant over……for now!

  4. Godless:

    Lots of misunderstanding on the DRM

    1. You will be able to play the game on any system you log in on, if you were the profile that first registered the game.

    2. Every profile on the system the game was first installed to will also be able to play the game, so long as you still have the disk.

    I’m not sure how this will work if you have more than one console in the house, there are still a lot of things need to be clarified.

    It’s almost the same system as on 360 just now, there has been talk of an internet requirement to verify the games, but this seams unnecessary if you have the disk. If the game is a down load, then you’re on-line anyway and that shouldn’t be a problem, unless all games are to be treated as if they are downloads, and the disk is just a way of saving you from actually downloading it??

    I would imagine if the system can’t se a network, it will allow the game to be played so long as the disk is in the machine. if your are on-line, I guess it just checks that you are the last registered owner, or it’s the machine the game is registered to, and allows you to play it without the need for the disk.

    I think until MS clarify properly how this works, it’s all just guess work for now. Add to that I’m almost 100% confident that whatever MS are doing Sony will also be doing.

    There is something MS have introduced which is better. When you are a Live gold subscriber, every profile on the same system also get all the perks of Gold membership. Again, not sure how this will pan out if you have more than one console, but it’s a step in the right direction.

    Also seeing more and more rumours that PS4 will have a subscription to access many of the on-line features, including on-line gaming.

  5. Godless:

    Saw this article which was written back at the beginning of March and the guy is surprisingly close to what appears to be happening.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/05/03/the-key-split-between-sonys-ps4-and-microsofts-next-xbox-is-starting-to-emerge/

  6. greenLanternfan:

    @Godless

    That sounds fair.

  7. Godless:

    Couldn’t help but click on this arlicle, when I saw the heading.

    http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/09/14/wii-u-packing-serious-power-under-the-hood-ram-cpu-and-blu-ray/

    Kushy. .I think you’ll find I was right about the WiiU after all..even if I did get pawned on the quote :^)

  8. phranctoast:

    “If the analysis is accurate, then we should see PS4 get far better games in the first few months, and my choice will be made for me.
    Like I said before, I’m going to sit out the first few months to see what happens.”

    I’m guessing we won’t see a noticeable difference until a year in.

    Killzone was made when the spec was 4GB (3 actual as 1 is reserved for OS)

  9. phranctoast:

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-24-xbox-one-developers-have-their-say-on-specs-self-publishing-and-tvtvtv

    Good article, but waaaaaaaaay too long to post here.

  10. Mike Ferro:

    @Andrew
    “This is like groundhog day. Wasn’t there unmeaningful comparisons like this when the ps3 was announced with its super computer cell processor?”

    Well, i think in this case its a bit different as the devs dont have to figure out new ways of coding for exotic hardware. Its probably a matter of how much less they have to sacrifice texture quality and performance wise.

    I remember reading Naughty Dog saying Uncharted 3 was 1TB unoptimized and textures uncompressed. A likely scenario is that devs won’t have to heavily compress as much due to the higher bandwidth between the RAM and GPU.

  11. phranctoast:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOxdMQhDMIU

    HAHAHHA

  12. me_:

    Interesting statement;

    “As rumored, the Xbox One will make use of DDR3 RAM, which is significantly slower than the GDDR5 RAM being used in the PS4.”

    When was it confirmed that XBox used DDR3 (never?).

    Now if we ignore latency that is true GDDR5>DDR3. I can’t remember the calculations but I think the GDDR3 in the 360 had a higher bandwidth than the XDR in the PS3. I don’t remember Mike ever saying that 360 RAM was faster than the PS3 experimental (aka crap) RAM.

    Honestly if Mike was more in favor of Xbox he would be putting out articles saying ESRAM was 1,000,000x faster than GDDR5. He may also want to suggest that the PS4 will be more expensive, more power hungry and more likely to fail due to overheating due to the use of GDDR which Microsoft wisely declined.

    Technically the ESRAM in the Xbox is the only mildly interesting development. Other than that it seems Sony and Microsoft are using crap laptop grade components.

  13. oldschool1987:

    http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/05/24/patent-suggest-kinect-could-charge-per-person-when-playing-a-movie/

    LOL!

  14. phranctoast:

    “When was it confirmed that XBox used DDR3 (never?).”

    Admission by omission.

    “I don’t remember Mike ever saying that 360 RAM was faster than the PS3 experimental (aka crap) RAM.”

    He didn’t say that because it’s not true.
    http://www.itbosslab.com/ram/xdr-vs-ddr3ddr2.html

    h**p://www.examiner.com/article/ps4-gddr5-ram-compared-against-xbox-720-ddr3-ram-and-esram

    Honestly if Mike was more in favor of Xbox, he’d be the only one..lol

  15. Mike Ferro:

    @me_

    “Other than that it seems Sony and Microsoft are using crap laptop grade components.”

    Not really, the APU doesn’t exist on the market today and traditional PCs can’t touch the pipeline in the PS4. The biggest restriction in PCs are the PCIe bus bandwidth.
    Parallel processing on the APU is also unmatched. read this interesting article about “potent parallel processing” on AMD’s new chip.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/01/amd_huma/

  16. Roca.:

    Microsoft: “We purposefully did not target the highest-end graphics. We targeted more as a broad entertainment play and did it in an intelligent way.”

    Well, there you have it folks.
    Godless and me can stop trying to prove the XBONE is just as powerful as the PS4

  17. Roca.:

    Hey Mike, I know it’s the weekend and probably not many users are going to click on this link. Think it’s worthy of writing an article about it?

    http://www.gamersyde.com/pop_images_infamous_second_son-22142-1.html

  18. me_:

    @phranctoast

    nice link, I think Roca used the same one. I had to explain to him that DDR3 wasn’t the same as GDDR3 (used in the 360) but I don’t think he ever understood. I was kind of hoping now that GDDR has become such a big feature of the PS4 the fanboys would educate themselves about it but maybe that was wishful thinking.

    “The biggest restriction in PCs are the PCIe bus bandwidth.”

    That’s not true, it’s an old argument that I remember reading back in the PS2 days. If it was true then the GeForce GTX 660 (released in August 2012) couldn’t be rated at 2.1 TFLOPS. Think about it, a GPU released a year ago was more powerful than the PS4 APU which includes both a GPU and a CPU! The GeForce GTX Titan is 4.5 TFLOP, over 100 % faster than the PS4 even before you add the CPU.

    The hUMA stuff isn’t really about parallel processing, it doesn’t improve the TFLOPS rating. What it means is that you can share pointers to memory between CPU and GPU cores without physically copying the data. It’s a cool feature and I can really see the benefit for HPC but I’m not so sure it’ll help much for gaming. It’ll probably be useful for low power devices like tablets and thin laptops though.

    This is an interesting (if a little technical) link that explains where the Jaguar APU fits;

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/amds-jaguar-architecture-the-cpu-powering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash

    The Jaguar is the evolution of the Bobcat which is AMDs budget (thin laptop/ tablet) range. The Bulldozer range is more powerful but that’s not what’s in PS4/Xbox.

  19. me_:

    “the APU doesn’t exist on the market today and traditional PCs can’t touch the pipeline in the PS4.”

    Here’s a review for a jaguar based ultrathin;

    http://www.ecoustics.com/reviews/amd-a4-5000-apu/

    “Put simply, games developers will desperately need to get to grips with multi-threading if they’re to have any hope of getting good performance out of these new Jaguar cores. And even with threading fully optimised, we guestimate based on this chip that the PS4 and Xbox will have roughly half the CPU performance of a good Intel desktop processor. And that’s assuming all cores are available to a given application or game. Yikes.”

  20. oldschool1987:

    Such a PC fanboy.

  21. Roca.:

    Didn’t AMD confirmed that the PS4′s APU is the most powerful APU they have built so far?

  22. Roca.:

    AMD on PS4′s APU: “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market.It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date”

  23. oldschool1987:

    Looks like me was owned again.

  24. me_:

    @Oldschool

    If all you can contribute is fanboy, troll, I just owned you, etc you have to ask yourself why you bother commenting at all. Too much time on your hands?

    I can’t remember the last time you actually made a constructive contribution to the discussion.

  25. me_:

    @Roca

    The comment from AMD was probably true at the time. AMD has been making APUs for the budget sector and that’s exactly what the PS4 got. Notice that AMD didn’t say that it was the fastest CPU, GPU or even processor that they have ever designed… just that it was the fastest APU.

    You didn’t see the Cell processor being put into tablet at the same time the PS3 was launched did you?

  26. oldschool1987:

    I contributed and proved the Wii is just a redesigned Gamecube lol.

    All you do is troll and go on about how much better TEH PEECEEE IZZZ.

  27. me_:

    I’m not going to explain how console generations work again.

    The difference is that I’m interested in the technology and am willing to have a rational discussion. I don’t know why you bother or what you get out of this. I’m guessing you’re just really bored.

  28. oldschool1987:

    So the Wii isn’t a redesigned Gamecube? So is the PS3 Slim a generation above the original PS3? Because that is also a redesigned console.

    Is the Wii capable of playing PS3 games, or is it more in line with the GameCube and PS2? You know, the other non HD and network based consoles.

  29. me_:

    Can the original PS3 play PS3 slim games – >Yes
    Can the DS play DSi games->Yes
    Can the PS2 play PS2 slim games ->Yes
    Can the GameCube play Wii games ->No

    It’s really, really, really easy to understand, you must be the only person here who doesn’t get it. It’s why we never say something is forward compatible.

  30. oldschool1987:

    So the Wii isn’t a redesigned Gamecube? And it’s also HD and has online play? Lol

  31. me_:

    Is that all you have left?

    I’m done with you today.

  32. oldschool1987:

    Thought as much. Wii is a redesigned Gamecube, fact!

  33. Godless:

    Roca, Oldie. . You both got schooled.

    It pretty much took the “average” gaming PC a few years to out perform last gen.

    Face it guys the next gen, is not going to be as powerful as the average gaming PC, even at launch, by the look of things.

  34. oldschool1987:

    Actually Godless, I schooled him. I proved the Wii is a redesigned Gamecube, hence it’s last gen.

    Saying I got schooled doesn’t make it true, you have to actually be schooled … like you are, on every article ever.

  35. Godless:

    oldscholl

    The wii was last gen, whether you accept that or not.

    The wiiU is next gen. .Whether you accept it or not.

    Your “Opinion” on which generation these machines belong to is yours. Now, while I can’t change what you think, I can tell you that you’re wrong, because it’s not something open to opinion, the same way something like which console you prefer is.

    Oldie, your problem is, you can’t tell the difference between “opinions” and “facts”.

  36. phranctoast:

    Kotaku: “Only 90% of Xbox One GPU usable for games”- PS4 GPU up to 66% more powerful?
    http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=565505

  37. oldschool1987:

    Fact: Wii is a redesigned Gamecube. Fact: It’s not HD. Fact: No online network play. Fact: Graphically on par with PS2.

    Result:previous gen.

  38. me_:

    Fact: oldschool is detached from reality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(seventh_generation)

  39. oldschool1987:

    Fact: Wii is a redesigned Gamecube that carries the same specs as Gamecube but under a different name.

    This is actual proven fact.

  40. me_:

    So you’ve given up trying to prove the Wii is a sixth generation console?

    Are you ready to move on?

  41. oldschool1987:

    Wii is the same generation add PS2. Wii U is current gen. PS4 and Xboned week be the first next gen consoles. Even EA said the same and they’re more experienced than you and their opinion carries more weight.

  42. oldschool1987:

    http://mynintendonews.com/2013/01/31/ea-blatantly-says-wii-u-is-not-a-next-gen-console/

  43. oldschool1987:

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3939092/john-riccitiello-on-wii-u-ps4-xbox-steam-box-game-violence

  44. me_:

    It’s not my opinion. It’s not me vs EA it’s what’s on Wikipedia. Plain and simple. Read this page;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(seventh_generation)

    If you’re so convinced that you’re correct and you have links to back up your claims change the Wikipedia page. That’s what it’s there for.

    You’re not going to do that though. You’re just going to bitch here and pretend the rest of the world sees things the same way as you.

  45. oldschool1987:

    Wikipedia can be updated by anyone. Is readier to lump the Wii into current gen consoles instead of having a debate paragraph about it. A gaming company did not do that Wikipedia page, everyday people did lol.

    “[NEXT-GEN] IS YET TO COME. IT’S THAT THAT WE’RE EXCITED ABOUT, AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE INVESTING IN.”

    -EA, A professional gaming company in this business longer than most.

  46. oldschool1987:

    It’s easier to lump*

  47. me_:

    “Wikipedia can be updated by anyone.”

    It should be easy for you the update the page then. With all you “evidence” they should accept your modification. Isn’t that better than arguing the point endlessly on some obscure forum?

  48. oldschool1987:

    Don’t need to, EA a veteran gaming company with more knowledge than YOU on the matter back my views up and not yours haha!

    I thought you were done arguing with me about it? Lol!

  49. me_:

    I said I was done for the day yesterday and I think I’m feeling the same way now.

    What I think I’ve gained out of this is that you only really seem to be here to argue a fanboy point of view. Fair enough, it’s a free world. If you were really that interested in proving you were right you’d at least try to change that Wikipedia page. The fact is you know you’re wrong but you just like arguing.

    Have a good one. That’s enough for this thread.

  50. oldschool1987:

    I’m wrong and so are EA (A veteran gaming company), but you’re right over them? You have more knowledge of the gaming world over EA? Yes or No?

  51. oldschool1987:

    “[NEXT-GEN] IS YET TO COME. IT’S THAT THAT WE’RE EXCITED ABOUT, AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE INVESTING IN.”
    -EA, A professional gaming company in this business longer than most.

  52. phranctoast:

    http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/insomniac_not_working_on_wii_u_considers_it_more_current_gen_than_next_gen

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