Titanfall: $60 price justified for the Xbox One multiplayer only game?

August 25, 2013

Titanfall: can the Xbox One multiplayer only game justify a $60 price tag?Titanfall is Respawn Entertainment’s next big title coming out for the Xbox One and PC sometime in spring 2014. The game makes use of the aging 10-year old Source engine with some updates made by the Respawn team to bring the title out for the next gen.

In an in interesting interview with DF, Respawn’s Drew McCoy spilled the beans on some of the technical aspects of the impressive game. While Titanfall makes use of the decade old Source engine, the studio uses their own lighting tech, renderer, audio and net code to get the traditionally slow engine performing at faster speeds. With the ability to jump in and out of mechs, the game does provide a sense of speed despite McCoy’s reluctance to comment on if the game will run at 60 frames per second in 1080p at launch on the Xbox One.

While the game looks fun, the graphics are a bit lacking when compared to other next gen titles such as Killzone: Shadow Fall and Ryse, which may just be the limitation of the engine.

There is a definite sense of verticality in Titanfall that you really don’t get in other FPS games. There are third person shooters such as Starhawk that did offer mech based aerial and ground assault gameplay, but there really hasn’t been much in the FPS arena.

The one challenge I do see Titanfall facing is possibly in reaching a larger market due to its lack of a traditional story based campaign. The developers explained that they attempted to sprinkle bits of story throughout each map accompanied by cinematic events that sort of paints a picture of what’s going on.

Impressive Titanfall Gamescom gameplay trailer:

While, Respawn hasn’t been clear on how this will play out, I’d imagine that it would be something similar to what Naughty Dog has done in Uncharted 3, like the Airstrip map where one team starts out in trucks racing down an airstrip runway trying to catch up to a cargo plane while players are jumping from truck to truck. Once the players overtake the cargo plane, the map changes to cutscene of the trucks racing into the airfield cargo hold area where everyone gets off to a more traditional team VS team match.

Killzone 3 also employs similar mixtures of cinematic story elements in the multiplayer with the Operations mode. In Operations there are maps like Akmir Snowdrift, where one team – ISA commandos launch an attack against the Helghast freighter to hijack the vessel. This map has multi-staged check points as the battle shifts locations once you reach your objective, like high jacking the vessel or holding down the last stronghold. The map even has cut scenes where it displays your PSN ID over the players that have performed well kicking down the losing team, while the names of the poor preforming members are shown over the detained.

Other next gen titles such as Killzone: Shadow Fall running at 1080p 60FPS on the PS4:

Mixing cut scenes and story elements into multiplayer matches is a great way to build a universe by providing context into why you are fighting each other in the first place. However, one major drawback on solely relying on this mechanic is that the cut scenes and voiced dialogs become repetitive after listening to it a dozen time or so during the same map.

Historically, multiplayer only games have had difficulty selling well to the mass market when it comes with a hefty full price tag of $60. This seems to be the case despite the fact that some players completely disregard the single player campaign and dive into the multiplayer mode in games like Call of Duty. I suppose it could all be psychological in how we perceive and place value on video games.

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90 Responses to “Titanfall: $60 price justified for the Xbox One multiplayer only game?”

  1. CarlB:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/gamescom-battlefield-4s-graphics-lacking-on-ps4

  2. Roca.:

    “Other next gen titles such as Killzone: Shadow Fall running at 1080p 60FPS on the PS4″

    KZ: SF might be a sleeper hit. It is really looking like it’s going to be a great game.

  3. Roca.:

    “Lately we’ve been throwing the latest Killzone Shadow Fall multiplayer Gamescom footage on the frontlines, facing it off against the industries most sought after shooters. First we placed Guerrilla Games next-gen shooter in a side by side multiplayer gameplay comparison against DICE and their upcoming juggernaut Battlefield 4 and secondly, against Infinity Ward’s Call of Duty Ghost. In both cases, while the footage was brief and compressed, Killzone Shadow Fall fared exceptionally well, clearly winning the hard fought beauty contest argument within the comments of N4G and Youtube. In fact, and with much respect for the success of the Call of Duty franchise, lets just say the next-gen comparison pitting it against Killzone Shadow Fall bordered on the ridiculous, with Call of Duty Ghost seeming unfit for duty”

    http://game-insider.com/2013/08/25/killzone-shadow-fall-multiplayer-raises-the-next-gen-bar-and-popularity-after-gamescom-reveal/

  4. Roca.:

    Speaking of Titanfall,

    Looks like it might come to PS4 sooner than expected

    http://gamingbolt.com/titanfall-may-come-to-the-ps4-after-all

  5. oldschool1987:

    Wasn’t MAG full price? Can’t remember.

    Carl, a console game doesn’t look as good as the PC version running at the ultra setting? OMG I’M SHOCKED!

    I also remember how poor looking the PS3 demo of BF3 was aswell.

  6. Godless:

    Roca

    Titalfall coming to PS4. . .Yeah, in the next year or two??? Phffff. .that’s a worry for XB1. .. NOT!

    I’ll predict that Titan fall on PS4 is going to do about as well as Mass effect 1 & 2 did on PS3.

    This will still be a system seller for the XB1, gameplay looks great.

  7. Godless:

    PS Nice 180 Oldie

    hxxp://gamer.blorge.com/2013/08/20/gc-2013-sony-press-conference-killzone-shadow-fall-mp-debut-infamous-second-son-2nd-trailer-rogue-legacy-fez-minecraft-and-more/#comment-201727

    Where you state: -
    “New BF4 on PS4 is 64 players and 60fps and on par with PCs ultra setting.”

    to: -
    “Carl, a console game doesn’t look as good as the PC version running at the ultra setting? OMG I’M SHOCKED!”

    LMFAO. . .Toooooo funny

    Is the reality that the PS4 is nowhere near as powerful as even a standard PC gaming rig finally starting to set in dude???

    A few months back we had the Sony fanslug brigade sing praise about how the PS4 would be as powerful as a high end gaming rig for years to come.

    Even our very impartial blog poster Mike got all carried away of a wave of Sony patriotism.

    And Oldie
    on the same thread you continually refuse to accept the 360 has better wifi than the PS3, with you and roca claiming I am lying about my wifi performance, You even go as far as not reading anything (or simply not understanding) I posted to prove my point

    http://support.zen.co.uk/kb/Knowledgebase/Broadband-What-affects-your-WiFi-signal

    Above link directly states internal walls are a huge factor (the biggest single factor) in the blocking of wifi. Why the fuck are you so retarded that you can not accept this Well known Fact.
    Then there’s the fact that the 360 also has better wifi, as proved in my other links regarding the 802.11b/g Vs 802.11n.

    So, will you can admit now you’re a pathetic Sony fanboy. Too weak to even admit when your totally wrong.

  8. phranctoast:

    “Historically, multiplayer only games have had difficulty selling well to the mass market when it comes with a hefty full price tag of $60. This seems to be the case despite the fact that some players completely disregard the single player campaign and dive into the multiplayer mode in games like Call of Duty. I suppose it could all be psychological in how we perceive and place value on video games.”

    I’ve been saying the same thing. At $40, you can make a case. $60 is too much for a MP only game. They could have gone with the Planetside 2 F2P model.
    Unreal tournament 3 did bad on consoles saleswise and that games online is better than anything I’ve seen so far with Titanfall. .

  9. Godless:

    Titanfall Vs UT3?

    Phranc, did you even watch the Titanfall gameplay trailer?

  10. Godless:

    PS
    I agree the price tag is too high, but I think all games are priced too highly.

    I hope they do a bundle with this game, or that they lower to price.

  11. phranctoast:

    Hahah. You sound like Major Nelson. Of course I’ve seen it godless. I’ve watched all gameplay trailers too.

  12. Roca.:

    @Godless
    “Yeah, in the next year or two?”

    Well, it’s coming to the XB1 next year, so if PS4 gets it next year as well then is all good ;)

    Comparing Mass Effect to this is stupid for many reasons:
    1. MS debuted on PC & 360 and many people had to keep playing the game on those system in order to transfer their files

    2. The first game was not available on PS3 until after the 2nd & 3rd

    3. Mass Effect never sold well on 360, why would it sell well on PS3?

    On the other hand, we the XB1′s biggest titles coming to PS4 and if it lives up to its hype I’m 100% sure it will sell just as good on PS4. Or maybe PS4 users will be too busy playing PS4 exclusives.

  13. oldschool1987:

    “Is the reality that the PS4 is nowhere near as powerful as even a standard PC gaming rig finally starting to set in dude???”

    And where does that leave the 180 Lmao.

    And I refuse to believe house bricks stop your ps3 wifi from working, moron. Remember when you downloaded the Crysis demo on ps3 and Xbox and compared then and stated the 360 as the clear winner… Ever though ps3 didn’t have a demo Lmao.

  14. Roca.:

    Godles,
    In case you need more proof

    http://i.imgur.com/I1h1eLG.png

  15. Godless:

    Oldschool

    You just proved how low of a snivelling rat you actually are.

    firstly your refusal in the face of facts that Brickwork can and does adversly affect wifi signals. .Pathetic.

    Secondly your outright lie

    “Crysis demo on ps3 and Xbox and compared then and stated the 360 as the clear winner… Ever though ps3 didn’t have a demo Lmao.”

    I already prooved you a liar on this.

    What I actually said was I had downloaded the demo on both, but had not had a chance to see them.
    An easy mistake to make when you download a shit load of demos on both machines over a weekend.

    I can’t be arsed to find the thread again, But you can admit you’re lying or provide links, as I have done on the wifi issue.

    You’re getting more pathetic all the time Oldie.

  16. Roca.:

    Godless,
    You will really enjoy watching this

    http://youtu.be/iOX1KDODyZg

  17. Roca.:

    @Godless

    Dice already confirmed IGN claims about BF4 on PS4 are false

    http://i.imgur.com/8mKzueY.png

  18. Godless:

    Roca

    That link doesn’t render anything IGN reported about the PS4 version of BF4 false. Indeed, I would say it conforms what IGN reported is true, but implies the resolution will be better than 720p at launch, but has not yet been nailed down. The are clearly struggling to get BF4 running @1080p

    Couldn’t listen to that other link, that guy is just way too irritating I’m afraid. If he had said “you know wot I’m sayin” just one more time, I’d have had to punch my monitor.

  19. CarlB:

    “Dice already confirmed IGN claims about BF4 on PS4 are false”

    IGN “claim”: “for the purposes of this demo, it was running at a resolution higher than 720p, but not 1080p… still months away from Battlefield 4′s release. It’s clearly a work in progress.”

    Dice “confirmation”: “running at a higher resolution than 720p (but not 1080p) in the PS4 dev environment. Final resolution when the game is optimized at launch!”

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/gamescom-battlefield-4s-graphics-lacking-on-ps4

    “OMG I’M SHOCKED!”

    That’s not surprising after all the hype stating PS4 would be better than most PC’s “for years to come” and the “ideal gaming PC”.

    But as the link mentions, it’s still months away from release, and could well have any issues fixed within that time. Beyond that, I don’t think the games at or near launch are indicative of the system’s full potential, so it’s not the end of the world, just that the initial world doesn’t seem to meet the hype’s pretenses, which I suspected was the case from the start.

  20. Godless:

    Oldie

    Found this
    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/01/31/killzone-3-played-with-move-interested/

    Proves your a low life lying worm

    I never made any comparison at all, I simply forgot which machine I had played the demo on.

    As I said then, easy to do when you play both machines and have downloaded a load of stuff.

    You got owned again Oldschool. How about you try facing facts and stop with your lying bullshit for a change.

  21. oldschool1987:

    Lol Godless go hang yourself you fanboy cunt. No one likes you hate you lizard lipped squid haha. House bricks? Lmfao! Don’t see how its possible in those Scottish huts you live in.

  22. phranctoast:

    http://m.ign.com/videos/2013/08/24/the-new-powers-of-infamous-second-son-gamescom-2013

  23. oldschool1987:

    And to clarify, YOU’RE the lying worm. We caught you out lying and your excuse want backed up with proof. If you really thought you played both versions and one version was significantly better then you’re the most brain dead prick ever.

    Also, I never made a 180 (unlike Microsoft every day) I read that article and a few others and genuinely believed they got it running at max setting, if I was wrong then I was wrong, but it looks like Dice confirmed it still will be optimised at a higher level.

    And not once have you owned me you gobby little shit. Got ALWAYS get caught out in your lies and constant house brick interruptions is the most recent and stupid example.

  24. Mike Ferro:

    A little Worried about bf4, but I have faith DICE will come through. Even more worried they are not showing Xbox one version at all, despite having an exclusive marketing agreement with msft as they would have to demo it on Xbox mostly in public.

  25. Roca.:

    Seems like everything on XB1 is behind schedule.

    I mean, both the system and Forza will be unfinished and unplayable when it’s released

  26. navysteve:

    Don’t need to get offensive old school just because he provided links. And are we 10? “no one likes you” good banter that well done.

    Roca i assume you have evidence of your statement was it on the Sony.com you read this?

  27. Godless:

    Steve

    Having Oldie call me a liar, does piss me off I’ll admit, and it’s annoying that even when he is proven wrong, he out right refuses to accept it, and continues to make the same claims against me.
    This tells me a lot about the type of person he is.

    Having him say “no one likes you” just made me laugh. I don’t think I’ve heard that since I was in school. And this is a guy that’s about to become a father!

    Oldie can’t separate Opinion from fact, and that leads to problems when you happen to have a different opinion to him. I’m beginning to think he may on the autistic spectrum, somewhere fairly high up. Aspergers or some other kind of behavioural disorder, or maybe just plain old learning difficulties.

    Sadly it’s more likely that he is just suffering from BSF. . . That’s Blind Sony Fanslugism, and it’s making him look like a retard

    This is for you oldie

    Liar!, liar! bums on fire. Phrrrprrprprprrrrrp!

  28. oldschool1987:

    Steve, don’t you have a deck to scrub? His links show that some bricks MAY cause interference and not consistently. He said he always has trouble connection due to house bricks Lmao pathetic. You Xbots are a different breed of stupid.

    I’m surprised you Navy boys know what banter is lol.

  29. oldschool1987:

    “Liar!, liar! bums on fire. Phrrrprrprprprrrrrp!”

    Hypocrite.

    And you Are a liar, you were caught out and your pathetic excuse didn’t wash, just because you have a link to when you used that exist doesn’t make you lie become fact over time lol.

    No one with a brain cell would accidently think they downloaded the same demo on both systems and then compare them and say the 360 version is better. There is no way anyone could get confused enough to think that Lmao. You got caught lying fantard, I fucking hope you crawl in salt, fanslug.

  30. oldschool1987:

    And you ARE a liar, you were caught out and your pathetic excuse didn’t wash, just because you have a link to when you used that excuse doesn’t make your lie become fact over time lol.

    Fixed that mess of a paragraph.

  31. Godless:

    Oldschool

    You are a retard! The link I provided is to the original thread.

    You & roca then took what I said in the original thread and twisted it into a lie.

    This is my ORIGINAL POST : -
    http://gamer.blorge.com/2011/01/31/killzone-3-played-with-move-interested/#comment-154359
    and this is what I posted: -
    “I downloaded demos of Dead space 2 Bulletstorm and Crysis 2 for both PS3 and 360.
    I’ve played them on the PS3 but not yet on the 360, will be interesting to see how similar they are, or are not, I’ve not seen any comparison yet.
    I think Dead space2 & Bulletstorm are great, not so sure about Crysis at the mo. .think I would prefer the single player.”

    You’ll notice that I thought I had played them all on the PS3. It is you that created the lies about my having compared them, when I clearly state that it “will be interesting to see how similar they are, or are not, I’ve not seen any comparison yet”.

    This topic has come up a few times as you claw for some kind of pathetic support for more of your bullshit, and each time I have proved you wrong, by directing you back to the “original thread”. The others threads are just you taking what I originally said and twisting it. Lying like a pathetic child.

    I don’t need you to admit you’re a liar, I know you are. I also know you’re incapable of admitting when you are wrong, so there is little point in asking you to admit it.

    Your ignorance on the network interference thing is reminding me of an argument I had way back is school, when someone was claiming dolphins & whales were fish, and I was trying to tell him that they were in fact mammals.

    Long story short, he refused to believe me even when I tried to show him a book explaining it. I guess some people just refuse to believe what they don’t want to believe. .

    Oldschool you like one of those religions nutters who will not accept the science because it conflicts with your preferred religious belief. That religion being Sonyism ;)

  32. oldschool1987:

    “Your ignorance on the network interference thing is reminding me of an argument I had way back is school, when someone was claiming dolphins & whales were fish, and I was trying to tell him that they were in fact mammals”

    Cool story brah lol.

    “Oldschool you like one of those religions nutters who will not accept the science because it conflicts with your preferred religious belief. That religion being Sonyism”

    You boring on about religion again? YAWN! Btw if you think anything about consoles is a religion then you need to see a professional. It kind of makes sense now why you blindly follow Microfail and worship everything they do and even make up lies about Internet destroying house bricks even though Scotland is made up of mud huts lol.

  33. Godless:

    Hmm,. . .I think you almost got it.

    I rest my case.

  34. phranctoast:

    “Could MS slowly bring back their DRM features over time?”

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=662173

    A good poll for Blorge too…

  35. Roca.:

    @navy

    Evidence for what?

    I heard it from MS themselves. Stop being such a butthurt fanboy and accept reality

  36. Roca.:

    Godless, you got caught lying.
    Simple as that.

  37. CarlB:

    http://www.giantbomb.com/playstation-4/3045-146/forums/sony-putting-online-pay-behind-a-pay-wall-good-or–1425447/

  38. CarlB:

    “Dice already confirmed IGN claims about BF4 on PS4 are false”

    How could this be true roca, if they only restated the same thing IGN said according to the link you provided for the above statement?

    Btw roca, which console are you going to play on next gen, as you said you won’t be getting a PS4?

  39. phranctoast:

    “DICE on BF4: “We need to compromise in some places” on PS4/Xbox One”

    http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/battlefield_4/news/battlefield_4_on_ps4_and_xbox_one_we_need_to_compromise_in_some_places_says_dice.html

  40. CarlB:

    Looks as though the resolution might be a compromise. Perhaps a couple gigs more of RAM dedicated to the game instead of the OS would have made a difference.

  41. CarlB:

    So much for that whole “There really isn’t technology out there on the market that can compete with the PS4 at this time” spiel.

  42. phranctoast:

    On topic:

    Lets put a list together of successful console multiplayer only games (review and sales) vs unsuccessful ones. For arguments sake, let’s say 76 MC and 1M sold so certain people don’t play the stupid semantics game to argue what “successful” represents. Include the initial cost too.

    You can include games will a SP campaign like Unreal Tournament 3 where the SP is simply a long MP tutorial.

  43. CarlB:

    Lets skip all that and assume there are none. So?
    If they can’t sell enough at $60 at launch they can drop the price very quickly to whatever the market is willing to pay for it. Regardless, they will still take advantage of early adopters who are willing to pay the price. That’s more than enough “justification”.

  44. phranctoast:

    Semantics argument incoming. Lol.

  45. CarlB:

    “I suppose it could all be psychological in how we perceive and place value on video games.”

    Very likely. Lol.

  46. harry sachz:

    I like turtles.

  47. oldschool1987:

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130827PB201.html

  48. CarlB:

    http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/06/sony-lower-playstation-vita-sales-forecast-a-third-time/

  49. Godless:

    6.2 million units produced for 2013.

    I don’t think MS will sell 6.2 million in 2013, so I don’t see this being an issue. If they do sell that many, then the XB1 will have done better than ever could have been hoped for.

    http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/gamescom_2013_how_microsoft_won_the_show.html

  50. CarlB:

    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/164934-xbox-one-bus-bandwidths-graphics-capabilities-and-odd-soc-architecture-confirmed-by-microsoft

  51. phranctoast:

    “I don’t think MS will sell 6.2 million in 2013, so I don’t see this being an issue. If they do sell that many, then the XB1 will have done better than ever could have been hoped for.”

    If they’re talking MS fiscal year it’s at least possible as that ends June 30th 2014. say 3M for holiday months and 1.5M each for the next two following quarters.

  52. phranctoast:

    http://m.gamespot.com/features/sonys-impressive-strategy-stole-the-show-at-gamescom-6413509/

  53. phranctoast:

    “Buying a PS4 game on smartphone activates console, downloads game and shuts it down.”

    https://twitter.com/yosp/status/372466175080275968?screen_name=yosp

  54. Godless:

    Phranc

    This was always going to be a feature with any always on device. same as with auto updating of OS, and patching of games.

    I’d have been surprised if this wasn’t going to happen.

  55. phranctoast:

    That all happens once a day though. This sounds like you buy mobile, and it’s done before you get home.

  56. CarlB:

    If they ever evolve cloud based remote play for Vita (or smartphone/tablet later on), you might not even have to wait till you got home to play the titles.

  57. Godless:

    Phranc
    “That all happens once a day though.”

    NO.. from what I remember MS already stated that when you are online it would be a live environment, where you would never need to wait for any update to be installed. This implies that updates will be applied as soon as they are released, or as soon as you log on in anycase.

  58. CarlB:

    Ninty’s follow up to the Vita price drop?

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/nintendo-announces-2ds

  59. CarlB:

    About time…
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/wii-u-price-drop-confirmed

  60. Roca.:

    Godless is so misinformed lmao.

  61. phranctoast:

    “NO.. from what I remember MS already stated that when you are online it would be a live environment, where you would never need to wait for any update to be installed. This implies that updates will be applied as soon as they are released, or as soon as you log on in anycase.”

    Oh. I thought the latest was it was going to update once a day to cater to the people wigging out about always online…

    “About time…”

    On Sept 20th…….

    Seems rather odd, to announce a price cut and remove a month of sales in the process..

    I guess when a month of sales is only a few thousand consoles, it’s better to go this way than the way MS and Sony handle price drops.

  62. Roca.:

    PS4 vs Xbox One – Pre-Order Totals to August 24th 2013 (in the US)

    PS4 total = 600,000
    XB1 total = 350,000

    So the PS4 is outselling the XB1 at almost 2:1 in the Xbox biggest market.

    Software pre-orders
    PlayStation 4 – Top 10 Pre-orders

    1. Battlefield 4 – 246,965
    2. Call of Duty: Ghosts – 240,090
    3. Killzone: Shadow Fall – 221,710
    4. Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag – 160,637
    5. Watch Dogs – 118,315
    6. Madden NFL 25 – 65,123
    7. Destiny – 44,018
    8. NBA 2K14 – 43,430
    9. Knack – 40,982
    10. FIFA Soccer 14 – 35,095

    Xbox One – Top 10 Pre-orders

    1. Call of Duty: Ghosts – 229,628
    2. Battlefield 4 – 125,368
    3. Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag – 104,980
    4. Watch Dogs – 69,152
    5. Dead Rising 3 – 61,254
    6. Ryse: Son of Rome – 57,962
    7. Forza Motorsport 5 – 56,201
    8. Madden NFL 25 – 43,167
    9. Destiny – 35,627
    10. Titanfall – 27,956

    PS4 has 5 titles (1 exclusive) with over 100K reservations, while the XB1 only has 3 titles (no exclusive).

    Titanfall? not looking so good…

    http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251266/ps4-vs-xbox-one-pre-order-totals-to-august-24th-2013/

  63. Roca.:

    Titanfall = 27,956
    Knack = 40,982

  64. Roca.:

    The only advantage the XB1 had over the PS4 might be supported on PS4 as well

    http://www.gamepur.com/news/11848-ps4-eye-camera-will-support-voice-navigation.html

  65. phranctoast:

    Killzone: Shadow Fall – 221,710

    Dead Rising 3 (61,254) + Ryse: Son of Rome (57,962) + Forza Motorsport 5 (56,201) + Titanfall (27,956) = 203,373

    Interesting….

  66. CarlB:

    “Seems rather odd, to announce a price cut and remove a month of sales in the process..”

    It may be for the shareholder’s benefit, and it seems they currently have the largest family of hardware (with the most units sold cumulatively each month, as well as software), each piece of which probably now generates a healthy profit with every sale, with 2DS on the way. Plus, it actually winds up being 3 weeks vice a full month, closer to the holiday buying season, and right inline with the Zelda Wind Waker HD bundle. Also, if they market it right for a few weeks, they might be able to get a better boost than they would if they just outright made the price drop today.

  67. Roca.:

    KZ + Knack = outselling all XB1 exclusives (and timed exclusives)

    KZ’s number is actually up there with the big boys

  68. greenLanternfan:

    I always thought KZ series was always underrated. It’s good to see how KZ pre-orders being up there.

  69. oldschool1987:

    What’s me? He was meant to change his avatar after he lost the bet.

    Worm.

  70. CarlB:

    KZ is Sony’s best answer to Halo, except it has quite a long ways to catch up if you want to talk sales.

  71. oldschool1987:

    But if you’re talking quality it’s caught up :

    Metacritic

    Killzone 2 – 91%
    Halo 4 – 87%

  72. oldschool1987:

    “KZ is Sony’s best answer to Halo”

    Wonder what Microsofts best answer to Uncharted, Last of Us, MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, inFamous and God of War is?

  73. CarlB:

    But if you’re talking Metacritic between Halo and KZ:

    Halo: Combat Evolved – 97%
    Killzone – 70%

    Halo 2 – 95%
    Killzone HD – 59%

    Halo 3 – 94%
    Killzone 2 – 91%

    Halo 4 – 87%
    Killzone 3 – 84%

  74. CarlB:

    “Wonder what Microsofts best answer to Uncharted, Last of Us, MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, inFamous and God of War is?”

    Apparently Gears of War was all they ever needed to answer those with for this entire gen.

  75. oldschool1987:

    “Apparently Gears of War was all they ever needed to answer those with for this entire gen”

    Apparently not seeing as PS3 overtook the 360 in sales.

    “But if you’re talking Metacritic between Halo and KZ”

    I was correct in saying that Killzone has hit a high in rating that nearly matches Halo, shy of 6 points. But obviously your incapable of agreeing.

    “Halo 2 – 95%
    Killzone HD – 59%”

    Is this a joke? You must be trolling. Let me fix your troll list:

    Halo: Combat Evolved – 97%
    Killzone – 70%

    Halo 2 – 95%
    Killzone 2 – 91%

    Halo 3 – 94%
    Killzone 3 – 84%

    Halo 4 – 87%
    Shadow Fall – TBR

    Obviously Halo is still king and I personally agree with that, Halo is a better series but by ratings Killzone at its peak isn’t far behind Halo at its peak.

    Can’t believe I tried explaining what I meant, we all know how you’ll respond…

  76. Godless:

    LMAO

    Oldie putting Halo 4 up against the first of the next gen Killzone game. . Too funny.

    How about we wait and compare Shadow fall with the next Halo or Gears game. Would that not make more sense?

    Personally I think Gears and Killzone are closer to each other in game play than KZ & Halo, and yes I know KZ is first person, and for me that’s a huge fundamental part of it’s problem, because it’s far too clunky to be a good first person. Halo is slick and fast, has vehicles & better weapons by a mile, KZ. . .well KZ isn’t even close to being halo

    To me KZ plays more like Gears, only Gears trashes it overall. Gears is less clunky, It has a better cover system, it has a far wider field of view, which is probably the single biggest factor in making it better to play. Killzone feels like playing Gears in first person, with zoom locked on, and way too much inertia on movement.

    I actually quiet enjoyed KZ3, and looking at Shadowfall it looks to be getting better all the time, even if it does look like more of the same, it does look to be doing it far better which is a good thing.

    I’m not a huge Halo or Gears fan, but both these franchises blow KZ out of the water.
    I would have preferred if Sony had kept the Resistance franchise going, as for me this was the best one they had(after the first one). Even if the storeys were not really connected, the 2nd and 3rd games were great, and I was really disappointed when they said it would be the last. I think resistance could have been a halo challenger if Sony had invested in it.

    Please note the above is my opinion. I am not claiming anything to be a fact.

    And before oldie or Roca jump in with any technical statistics. I couldn’t give a toss. I’m making my judgements based on my experience of the game-play and enjoyment factor alone. The fact that KS2 may have twice the polygon count or whatever, doesn’t stop it from being a crap game to play(in my opinion)

  77. oldschool1987:

    I also compared Halo 2 to Killzone 2,one of which was released on the next generating and I said Halo 2 scored higher and yet you still cried like a baby. I compared each versions numbered entry against the others numbered entry which is the only fair way to do it and Halo comes out on top, statistically and in my opinion but you, your blind fanboy retardation of the brain made you see red the moment I compared the two and made you assume I favoured Killzone. Could you fail any harder? My only point was to say to Carl that Killzone may not have caught up to Halo in sales it’s not too far behind in ratings.

    Seriously Godless take a day off or count to 10 before responding and save yourself dying of a fanboy related heart attack. Ffs even when I say Halo is a better series than Killzone you still go off on one. I’ve never known stupidity like it.

    And Killzone is the Sony flagship FPS, THAT’S why it gets compared to Microsofts flagship shooter… You didn’t understand this?

    And just because you suck at Killzone doesn’t make it dull. I suck at Forza but I can see it’s a fantastic racing game that’s more enjoyable than GT, imho. I’m just not blinded by fanbiyism like you are. You sucked at LittleBigPlanet as well and you hated that for it saying it was too hard.

  78. oldschool1987:

    “I would have preferred if Sony had kept the Resistance franchise going, as for me this was the best one they had(after the first one). Even if the storeys were not really connected, the 2nd and 3rd games were great, and I was really disappointed when they said it would be the last. I think resistance could have been a halo challenger if Sony had invested in it”

    I agree tbh, I loved Resistance. The stories* are connected..? It’s just that each game has a different tone to the last one. I think the series will continue but not under Insomniac, I think Sony failed this franchise by not supporting it enough. I’m not surprised Insomniac went multiplatform. If I’m honest I think Ratchet and Clank is Insomniacs best game and one of my personal favourite franchises on any system.

  79. oldschool1987:

    “I actually quiet enjoyed KZ3, and looking at Shadowfall it looks to be getting better all the time”

    Haven’t paid much attention to it tbh, only fps in interested in atm is Battlefield 4,each new clip gets me more excited.

    And while I’m on the subject of FPS I’ll admit I hardly watched any Titanfall clips, just caught brief glimpses and saw all the fanboys busting their nut in every website which annoys me lol. Anyway I was on Eurogamer the other day and they posted this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QdGA53iVoc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    I have to admit I was wrong, this game looks like a ton of fun. Graphics are poor but tbh that’s my only criticism from what I saw. Looks like an interesting twist on the FP genre. It’s caught my interest.

  80. twilight:

    The best fps game in my opinion is still Call Of Duty. There have been some sub par Cod games and their have been some great Cod games but overall the Cod franchise is still the best current generation fps. Up next would be Battlefield 3. This game is great. I can’t wait for Battlefield 4. Battlefield is set to overtake Cod next generation. Oh, how I love competition. The competition will be good for Cod games. As far as Halo, Gears, Killzone, and the Resistance franchises go, my personal order from favorite to least favorite would be Gears, Killzone, Resistance, and then Halo.

  81. oldschool1987:

    Yet to see a COD have contain the depth, variety and replayability of BF3. COD trumps BF campaign only.

  82. CarlB:

    “Apparently not seeing as PS3 overtook the 360 in sales.”

    By .7% total sales. After over half a decade on the market and absolutely dominating last gen in all regions, I would say that’s not such a great feat for Sony. If anything, they’ve lost ground to Microsoft this gen over last, not gained it.

    “Obviously Halo is still king and I personally agree with that, Halo is a better series but by ratings Killzone at its peak isn’t far behind Halo at its peak.”

    That’s a much more reasonable statement than simply stating, “But if you’re talking quality it’s caught up” and comparing the lowest scoring numbered Halo (4) in the series with the highest scoring numbered KZ (2) in the series. Though going by your “fixed” list Halo 1-3 on average scores 95.3%, while KZ 1-3 on average scores 81.6%, not shy by “6 points” but shy by over 13 points, whereas the latest comparison, Halo 3 vs KZ 3, again, by your “fixed” list, is still shy by 10 points, again, not 6. Personally, by your own representation, I would say a spread of 10 – 13 points isn’t close, but rather still “far behind”, relatively speaking.

  83. oldschool1987:

    Why does anyone even bother with you anymore? What happened to the old Carl who I actually enjoyed talking to and respected? Bring that guy back please because no one enjoys TrollB.

  84. CarlB:

    The problem is you only “enjoy” what I say when it happens to fall in line with what you think. On top of that, you take it personally whenever I happen to disagree with you. I’m sorry, but I’m not going to agree with you on everything, and if you happen to post something here that I personally disagree with, you shouldn’t be surprised when I respond letting you know why I disagree. You spoke your mind, and I spoke mine, explaining why exactly I disagree with you. If you have no good response to the topic at hand, or we simply agree to disagree, leave it at that, don’t “even bother” to respond.

  85. CarlB:

    Where did you even come up with “6 points” in the first place?

  86. oldschool1987:

    “The problem is you only “enjoy” what I say when it happens to fall in line with what you think. On top of that, you take it personally whenever I happen to disagree with you”

    *Buzzer* Wrong, try again.

    You’re not important enough for me to be personally offended, you’re a nuisance, nothing more. My point is you never used to be a grade A troll but now you’ll argue against everything and everyone for the sake of it. Even if the post links proving their point and making you look silly (Phranc), you’ll still argue. The three majority of everyone here says you’re a troll now.

    Don’t kid yourself Carl. You do not offend me personally, you’re just a random bloke on the net who I used to respect. I’m just surprised at how trollish you’ve became.

  87. SW:

    I never liked his name.

  88. CarlB:

    Ditto os.

  89. oldschool1987:

    So I argue against everything and everyone as well?

    *Buzzer*

    Wrong again.

  90. CarlB:

    “So I argue against everything and everyone as well?”

    I’m not arguing with you.

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